Legislature(2007 - 2008)BARNES 124

02/01/2008 08:30 AM House FISHERIES


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08:39:51 AM Start
08:40:06 AM HB41
09:04:50 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
= HB 41 TRANSFER HABITAT DIV FROM DNR TO F&G
Moved CSHB 41(FSH) Out of Committee
HB 41-TRANSFER HABITAT DIV FROM DNR TO F&G                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:40:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 41,  "An Act  returning certain  duties regarding                                                               
habitat management  from the Department  of Natural  Resources to                                                               
the Department of  Fish and Game; and providing  for an effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:41:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  directed attention to the  new information received                                                               
in the committee  packet, including:  A memo  from Legal Services                                                               
comparing   HB  41   with   the   Fisheries  Habitat   Protection                                                               
Initiative.   The  initiative has  gathered signatures,  received                                                               
certification, and  been submitted to the  legislature to provide                                                               
the body  with the opportunity to  pass commensurate legislation.                                                               
Also,  a comment  letter from  the Pebble  Partnership, stressing                                                               
the need to  solve this issue, and finally,  a position statement                                                               
from the Friends of The Anchorage Coastal Wildlife Refuge.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:43:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LES  GARA, Alaska  State Legislature,  provided an                                                               
update on  the progress of  the bill,  the work with  the current                                                               
administration  to   encourage  a  reversal  of   Governor  Frank                                                               
Murkowski's  Executive Order  (EO), and  a review  the historical                                                               
development of the twp departments.   He explained why the Office                                                               
of   Habitat  Management   &  Permitting   (OHM&P)was  originally                                                               
situated, as a  division of the Alaska Department of  Fish & Game                                                               
(ADF&G)  vs. an  office of  the Department  of Natural  Resources                                                               
(DNR).   He directed attention  to the letter, dated  January 30,                                                               
2003,  signed   by  every  ADF&G  commissioner   appointed  since                                                               
statehood; a united  position statement in support of HB  41.  He                                                               
paraphrased  from  the third  paragraph,  which  read as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     At  Alaska's  Constitutional  Convention in  1955,  our                                                                    
     founding fathers  debated whether  the new  state would                                                                    
     have one resource  agency or two.   They understood the                                                                    
     need   to  develop   our  oil,   mineral,  and   timber                                                                    
     resources, and  build the roads and  highways needed to                                                                    
     open up  our vast state,  and they recognized  the need                                                                    
     to  balance that  development with  protection of  fish                                                                    
     and wildlife by  purposefully giving the responsibility                                                                    
     and  authority to  protect  in-stream  fish habitat  to                                                                    
     ADF&G.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA continued,  stated  that  ADF&G was  charged                                                               
with  the protection  of fisheries,  habitat, and  wildlife.   To                                                               
create the appropriate checks and  balances, DNR was formed.  The                                                               
function of OHM&P  is to evaluate the habitat risk  of a project;                                                               
the potential  damage to  the fish,  wildlife, or  other habitat.                                                               
As previously  noted, this was  a function  originally identified                                                               
as  being  under  the  purview   of  ADF&G.    Stating  that  the                                                               
initiative is continuing to gather  signatures, he indicated that                                                               
the only  substantive difference  between the initiative  and the                                                               
bill  is  how  the  role   of  the  DNR  deputy  commissioner  is                                                               
addressed.   He  stressed that  the public  interest is  strongly                                                               
behind making  this move.   Responding to a committee  member, he                                                               
acknowledged the  need for a new  effective date on page  11, Sec                                                               
24, and suggested January 1, 2009.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:48:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON asked  whether HB  41 supplants  the need                                                               
for the initiative.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA said yes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[A  brief exchange  occurred  regarding the  role  of the  deputy                                                               
commissioner at DNR.]                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:50:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  said that the governor's  letter cites the                                                               
good work  of both divisions.   However, the  public's perception                                                               
should  to considered  a reality,  whether it  is how  things are                                                               
actually working  or not.   Further, she  provided her  intent to                                                               
support the bill.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:51:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON pointed  out that  the Pebble  Mine letter  did not                                                               
state  specific support  for the  bill, but  rather the  need for                                                               
solving the issue;  either way.  He explained the  sixty day time                                                               
line,  as noted  in the  Legal Services  memo, and  expressed his                                                               
desire for  passage of the bill.   The committee provided  a full                                                               
year  for the  administration to  review and  act on  this issue.                                                               
The opportunity still remains for the governor to issue an EO.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:54:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES moved Amendment 1:   page 11, line 11, Sec.                                                               
24, delete July 1, 2007, and insert January 1, 2009.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:54:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON   stated  his   support  for   the  bill.                                                               
Further,  he  expressed  concern   for  any  process  that  might                                                               
suppress state  scientists from  expressing their  concerns based                                                               
on fear of  departmental retribution.  Although, he  said that he                                                               
does not  believe this has  happened, he underscored the  need to                                                               
protect  against stifling  the ability  for biologists  to openly                                                               
report their scientific findings,  or participate in establishing                                                               
appropriate, science based, policy.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:58:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES  agreed, and  stressed that the  passage of                                                               
this bill is not intended to  reflect negatively, or be viewed as                                                               
an  indictment on  OHM&P,  but  rather place  the  office in  the                                                               
appropriate department to carry out  its intended functions.  She                                                               
stated support for the bill.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:59:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  offered her  agreement that  the integrity                                                               
of  OHM&P is  not in  question.   She suggested  that operational                                                               
changes may not  be readily apparent, but the  perception will be                                                               
altered.  She pledged her support for the bill.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:00:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON stated  that HB 14 also resolves  a possible ethical                                                               
dilemma.  By having OHM&P  operate under the mission statement of                                                               
DNR vs.  that of ADF&G,  a "dueling mission  statement" situation                                                               
is  created.   Passage of  this  legislation is  not intended  to                                                               
endorse  one  mission statement  above  the  other, but  it  will                                                               
provide  clarification of  policy application  for the  concerned                                                               
state employees.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:02:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES moved  to report HB 41, as  amended, out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal notes.  There being  no objection, HB 41(FSH) was reported                                                               
from the House Special Committee on Fisheries.                                                                                  

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